WSJ: U.S. Schools Expelled 8,000 Chinese Students
As tens of thousands of Chinese students prepare to study in the U.S., they might reflect on the experience of some of those who went before them. According to an estimate by a U.S. education company, some 8,000 Chinese students were expelled from American universities last year alone – and the main reasons were poor grades and cheating.
The estimate by WholeRen Education, a U.S. company that caters to Chinese students, was based on official U.S. data and a survey of 1,657 students expelled from American universities last year. More than 80% of these students were expelled because of poor academic performance or dishonesty, the company said.... continues
... “Chinese students used to be considered top-notch but over the past five years their image has changed completely — wealthy kids who cheat,” said Chen Hang, chief development officer at WholeRen, which is based in Pittsburgh, Pa. ... Most financed their studies on their own or had scholarships from a U.S. university. Only 4.6% of them were sponsored by the Chinese government.
...American students who more frequently enter programs that fit their capabilities, Chinese students care most about the reputation of the school,... try get into the top universities.... that different education standards and different attitudes toward unacceptable behavior were partly to blame.... problem with entire higher-education system in China,” said the unsigned commentary....
So True wrote:
I remember when I was going to University at San Francisco, every time before class the Chinese students would all get together and copy their answers. It's like they weren't even aware that they were cheating because they were so open about it. Shanghai culture.
12:39 pm May 29, 2015
tea and Dim sum wrote:
What else is new? China being China
1:09 pm May 29, 2015
Idk wrote:
Perhaps it is of use to mention that the 8,000 expelled only constitute 3% of Chinese students in U.S. universities? Unless, of course, one wants to be sensationalist. Then it makes sense not to mention the % because 3% is fairly unimpressive....
1:18 pm May 29, 2015
Anonymous wrote:
8000 is not extremely high. And in consideration of their lack of understanding of US academic ethics it is probably underestimated as much as it is vastly undiscovered or a blind-eye is turned. Part of the issue ( not excuse ) is that Chinese have groupthink and they cluster together in the alien campus. So they suppose it is acceptable and necessary to share answers and work product to all get ahead. Further, Chinese may not be well enough "schooled" (pun intended ) in what exactly plagiarism is in the US post-secondary realm. Copy and paste is tempting when writing a sentence , paragraph and thesis is being asked in a second language. Look - these guys are striving in a second language in a foreign country - some of them may well have bought their SATs and ACTs and TOEFLs just to get the acceptance to college. Desperate students do desperate things. When they should just do their own best original work and take the grade they deserve.
1:19 pm May 29, 2015
Anonymoush!t wrote:
Some of those expelled cina students have now become cina Commie watchdogs on the web !!
1:24 pm May 29, 2015
Jueyi Yao wrote:
8000 is just a small part of the large Chinese students group in U.S. In fact, the americans also do these small tricks.
1:48 pm May 29, 2015
I am wrote:
The report is not balance and informative. It should include also the percentage of US and other countries students expelled. Thus this report sound more like propaganda to me.
3:46 pm May 29, 2015
rentseeker wrote:
I'm currently studying at the best University in South Korea and here the things are even worse. They have a syllabus only for the form, but they teach from other books. When I first arrived here no one told me about this and other things. The have american books in the syllabus, mostly to show it when they apply for US PhD's and then they teach from other materials in class. What's worse they give every year from the same set of problems, for instance in one exam I can swear I saw 5/7 problems from before. It's amazing.
6:27 pm May 29, 2015
old grad wrote:
So, 'only' 8000. Has anyone given thought to the 8000 students who were not admitted to those colleges because unqualified Chinese students took the spots? Maybe 8000 is a small number in the aggregate, but each one of the 8000 rejected represents a opportunity lost. Perhaps they went to other colleges, but not their first choice. That makes this Chinese cheating hurtful and harmful to those denied admission.
6:33 pm May 29, 2015
Anonymous wrote:
Really? how about putting numbers and percentages in there to give everyone perspectives instead of sensationalist bait clicking nonesense.
Had to look this up myself there are 300,000 Chinese Students in the US, with 1,300 dropping out thats only a drop out rate of .43%
Compare to the US dropout rate of 46%
7:07 pm May 29, 2015
Patrick wrote:
How does this compare to the overall expulsion rate?
7:57 pm May 29, 2015
J. Murray wrote:
Cheating is part of the Chinese culture since it's the only way to get ahead in the Communist Party. In 2013, Zhongxiang experienced mass rioting when the testing officials introduced anti-cheating measures. The city rioted because, without cheating, their students would be disadvantaged and couldn't get into prestigious schools. Chinese students go so far as to have hidden transmitters in erasers to collect answers from a paid associate. Stand-in for tests is a huge industry in that country.
8,000 is likely a very small number of the actual cheating population. Just the group that was dumb enough to get caught.
8:14 pm May 29, 2015
P. O'Neil wrote:
In the University of Massachusetts, we find Chinese students to be superior, on the whole. We have had some trouble recently with Indian students cheating.
8:37 pm May 29, 2015
Anonymous wrote:
We also have to note that the agency who did this survey, WholeRen Education, is a one that also lists "emergency consulting for the expelled (Chinese) students" as its core business expertise on its website.
Now they just made the headline on the news...
10:31 pm May 29, 2015
blame yourself wrote:
top 100 US universities are competitive? Make it top 30 please
Worst students from a Chinese high school can easily get into US colleges ranked around 60-100. Incredibly easy! Blame your own greedy schools whose only interested in the money when admitting those students.
I attended a school ranked in the 30+. I have Chinese classmates that will never be able to attend same level of Chinese university with me because of their poor academic record in China but somehow they were admitted by my AOs here in the states. I was fortunate to speak with my school's CFO once. He basically said, Chinese students, they pay! I felt shamed every time I saw my fellow Chinese classmates cheating in a exam. But the fact is, they are horrible students back in China but somehow admitted here in your "top" schools.
The topic of this article really shouldn't be how many students were expelled. but how many bad students were admitted by "top" schools
Check how many Chinese students cheats in top 20 schools?
Check how many Chinese students have 4.0 GPA in 20 schools?
10:55 pm May 29, 2015
Mark Levin wrote:
Our next President - Ted Cruz or Rick Santorum - will expel all the Chinese students. I know both of them are certified lunatic eccentric crack pot. Meanwhile on my radio show I will continue to bad mouth rest of the GOP contenders and also the consultant Karl Rove.
11:13 pm May 29, 2015
I am wrote:
Except a few top universities, majority of US schools are nothing more than degree production lines. The students are mainly there for sex, party, drugs.
11:20 pm May 29, 2015
Bill Wald wrote:
I suspect that relative civility and honesty are the unintended consequences of Protestant Christianity being the US tacit civil religion. Feel free to disagree but our () minds are made up.
11:26 pm May 29, 2015
Holly wrote:
What does any school cheater expect to do for a living if they graduate?
11:31 pm May 29, 2015
CTReader wrote:
The problem likely started with the TOEFL exam that tests students on their English-language skills, a requirement for admission. I suspect many of the expelled students cheated and upon arrival were not able to follow the subject matter.
As tens of thousands of Chinese students prepare to study in the U.S., they might reflect on the experience of some of those who went before them. According to an estimate by a U.S. education company, some 8,000 Chinese students were expelled from American universities last year alone – and the main reasons were poor grades and cheating.
The estimate by WholeRen Education, a U.S. company that caters to Chinese students, was based on official U.S. data and a survey of 1,657 students expelled from American universities last year. More than 80% of these students were expelled because of poor academic performance or dishonesty, the company said.... continues
... “Chinese students used to be considered top-notch but over the past five years their image has changed completely — wealthy kids who cheat,” said Chen Hang, chief development officer at WholeRen, which is based in Pittsburgh, Pa. ... Most financed their studies on their own or had scholarships from a U.S. university. Only 4.6% of them were sponsored by the Chinese government.
...American students who more frequently enter programs that fit their capabilities, Chinese students care most about the reputation of the school,... try get into the top universities.... that different education standards and different attitudes toward unacceptable behavior were partly to blame.... problem with entire higher-education system in China,” said the unsigned commentary....
So True wrote:
I remember when I was going to University at San Francisco, every time before class the Chinese students would all get together and copy their answers. It's like they weren't even aware that they were cheating because they were so open about it. Shanghai culture.
12:39 pm May 29, 2015
tea and Dim sum wrote:
What else is new? China being China
1:09 pm May 29, 2015
Idk wrote:
Perhaps it is of use to mention that the 8,000 expelled only constitute 3% of Chinese students in U.S. universities? Unless, of course, one wants to be sensationalist. Then it makes sense not to mention the % because 3% is fairly unimpressive....
1:18 pm May 29, 2015
Anonymous wrote:
8000 is not extremely high. And in consideration of their lack of understanding of US academic ethics it is probably underestimated as much as it is vastly undiscovered or a blind-eye is turned. Part of the issue ( not excuse ) is that Chinese have groupthink and they cluster together in the alien campus. So they suppose it is acceptable and necessary to share answers and work product to all get ahead. Further, Chinese may not be well enough "schooled" (pun intended ) in what exactly plagiarism is in the US post-secondary realm. Copy and paste is tempting when writing a sentence , paragraph and thesis is being asked in a second language. Look - these guys are striving in a second language in a foreign country - some of them may well have bought their SATs and ACTs and TOEFLs just to get the acceptance to college. Desperate students do desperate things. When they should just do their own best original work and take the grade they deserve.
1:19 pm May 29, 2015
Anonymoush!t wrote:
Some of those expelled cina students have now become cina Commie watchdogs on the web !!
1:24 pm May 29, 2015
Jueyi Yao wrote:
8000 is just a small part of the large Chinese students group in U.S. In fact, the americans also do these small tricks.
1:48 pm May 29, 2015
I am wrote:
The report is not balance and informative. It should include also the percentage of US and other countries students expelled. Thus this report sound more like propaganda to me.
3:46 pm May 29, 2015
rentseeker wrote:
I'm currently studying at the best University in South Korea and here the things are even worse. They have a syllabus only for the form, but they teach from other books. When I first arrived here no one told me about this and other things. The have american books in the syllabus, mostly to show it when they apply for US PhD's and then they teach from other materials in class. What's worse they give every year from the same set of problems, for instance in one exam I can swear I saw 5/7 problems from before. It's amazing.
6:27 pm May 29, 2015
old grad wrote:
So, 'only' 8000. Has anyone given thought to the 8000 students who were not admitted to those colleges because unqualified Chinese students took the spots? Maybe 8000 is a small number in the aggregate, but each one of the 8000 rejected represents a opportunity lost. Perhaps they went to other colleges, but not their first choice. That makes this Chinese cheating hurtful and harmful to those denied admission.
6:33 pm May 29, 2015
Anonymous wrote:
Really? how about putting numbers and percentages in there to give everyone perspectives instead of sensationalist bait clicking nonesense.
Had to look this up myself there are 300,000 Chinese Students in the US, with 1,300 dropping out thats only a drop out rate of .43%
Compare to the US dropout rate of 46%
7:07 pm May 29, 2015
Patrick wrote:
How does this compare to the overall expulsion rate?
7:57 pm May 29, 2015
J. Murray wrote:
Cheating is part of the Chinese culture since it's the only way to get ahead in the Communist Party. In 2013, Zhongxiang experienced mass rioting when the testing officials introduced anti-cheating measures. The city rioted because, without cheating, their students would be disadvantaged and couldn't get into prestigious schools. Chinese students go so far as to have hidden transmitters in erasers to collect answers from a paid associate. Stand-in for tests is a huge industry in that country.
8,000 is likely a very small number of the actual cheating population. Just the group that was dumb enough to get caught.
8:14 pm May 29, 2015
P. O'Neil wrote:
In the University of Massachusetts, we find Chinese students to be superior, on the whole. We have had some trouble recently with Indian students cheating.
8:37 pm May 29, 2015
Anonymous wrote:
We also have to note that the agency who did this survey, WholeRen Education, is a one that also lists "emergency consulting for the expelled (Chinese) students" as its core business expertise on its website.
Now they just made the headline on the news...
10:31 pm May 29, 2015
blame yourself wrote:
top 100 US universities are competitive? Make it top 30 please
Worst students from a Chinese high school can easily get into US colleges ranked around 60-100. Incredibly easy! Blame your own greedy schools whose only interested in the money when admitting those students.
I attended a school ranked in the 30+. I have Chinese classmates that will never be able to attend same level of Chinese university with me because of their poor academic record in China but somehow they were admitted by my AOs here in the states. I was fortunate to speak with my school's CFO once. He basically said, Chinese students, they pay! I felt shamed every time I saw my fellow Chinese classmates cheating in a exam. But the fact is, they are horrible students back in China but somehow admitted here in your "top" schools.
The topic of this article really shouldn't be how many students were expelled. but how many bad students were admitted by "top" schools
Check how many Chinese students cheats in top 20 schools?
Check how many Chinese students have 4.0 GPA in 20 schools?
10:55 pm May 29, 2015
Mark Levin wrote:
Our next President - Ted Cruz or Rick Santorum - will expel all the Chinese students. I know both of them are certified lunatic eccentric crack pot. Meanwhile on my radio show I will continue to bad mouth rest of the GOP contenders and also the consultant Karl Rove.
11:13 pm May 29, 2015
I am wrote:
Except a few top universities, majority of US schools are nothing more than degree production lines. The students are mainly there for sex, party, drugs.
11:20 pm May 29, 2015
Bill Wald wrote:
I suspect that relative civility and honesty are the unintended consequences of Protestant Christianity being the US tacit civil religion. Feel free to disagree but our () minds are made up.
11:26 pm May 29, 2015
Holly wrote:
What does any school cheater expect to do for a living if they graduate?
11:31 pm May 29, 2015
CTReader wrote:
The problem likely started with the TOEFL exam that tests students on their English-language skills, a requirement for admission. I suspect many of the expelled students cheated and upon arrival were not able to follow the subject matter.
